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OceanFlyer Grand Banks 49' Classic Operating Manual

Summary of Grand Banks 49' Classic

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    Oceanflyer 49' grand banks classic operating manual version 5 -1.0 march 30, 2015 copyrighted. See notice next page. Section contents 1 introduction & general description 2 specifications, capacities, & important numbers 3 operating checklists & maneuvering suggestions 4 specific discussion of boat ...

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    Copyright 2013 joseph d. Coons & nw explorations llc this manual was originally written for this boat’s owner and it’s charter company by joseph d. Coons, 1220 birch falls drive, bellingham, wa 98229, tel (360) 647-0288. All rights reserved. This manual may not be quoted, copied, or duplicated, in w...

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    Section 1: introduction & general boat description 1a: about this manual 1a1: manual objective and limitations this manual is intended to introduce you to “oceanflyer”, its systems, and features, allowing you to operate it with the confidence and self-assurance necessary to enjoy your cruising vacat...

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    1b: general description of this vessel 1b1: exterior flybridge, cockpit, side & forward decks the grand banks 49' classic is a traditional yacht design, with fiberglass hull, cabin, and flybridge structures, a teak swim step, teak decks, stainless rails, and gunwale caps, and stainless steel welded ...

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    The aft cabin supports the dinghy on the starboard side. Tie-down straps hold the dinghy in place. The dinghy is lifted with an electric hoist from the mast’s boom, controlled by a plug-in remote control. A barbecue and its propane tank are by the sundeck’s steps. Up five steps from the deck is the ...

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    1b2: salon & helm main deck the boat is entered by side doors, port or starboard. These doors are fitted with deadbolt locks, and in addition have stainless catches affixed to the cabin sides to hold them open. The doors should be closed when underway except at very low speeds in calm waters to avoi...

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    At the aft end of the settee to midships, a cabinet holds the stereo am-fm radio and in its drawers, miscellaneous supplies. To port aft in the salon are the companionway to the master stateroom; two barrel chairs (with storage under the seat cushions), a storage cabinet holding galley pots and pans...

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    1b3: passenger accommodations both the forward and aft staterooms are down several steps below the salon. The vip guest cabin, office, and head compartment are forward, while the master stateroom and its head compartment is aft. Master stateroom the aft (master) stateroom is down a few steps in the ...

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    Vip guest s tateroom all the way forward, the bow guest stateroom includes a queen berth. Storage includes plenty of drawers, cabinets and hanging locker space for crew clothing. A large overhead hatch provide s plenty of light and ventilation in this spacious cabin. When first getting acquainted wi...

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    1b4: engine room preferred access to the engine room is through either the floor hatch by the helm seat in the salon or by going forward and lifting the stairs at the aft end of the companionway. Dc breakers in the ship’s power panels turn on the engine room lighting. You will find this engine room ...

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    Connected to the prop shaft and exits through a dripless shaft seal lubricated with atf fluid from a small plastic reservoir mounted by the fuel tank sight gauge. This drive system means that engine vibration can be dramatically reduced from the normal drone of diesels! Along the centerline aft of t...

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    1b5: dinghy the boat is equipped with a 10 foot-6 inch ab 10vs tender which is a rigid-hull, inflatable-pontoon boat fitted with a honda 20 horsepower four-cycle electric start- and-tilt outboard motor. 1b6: deck equipment the boat has mooring lines; a stern/shore line 600' long; main anchor with al...

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    1b8: safety equipment anchors there is a permanently-rigged anchor on the bow pulpit and a spare anchor (with 250' of line and a short chain) in the lazarette locker. Bell there is a ship’s bell on the forward side of the ship’s mast. Carbon monoxide monitor there is a co monitor in the aft stateroo...

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    (intentionally left blank) section 1b3: gen'l description - safety eq. 1.12.

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    Section 2: important vessel numbers vessel name: oceanflyer vessel official number: 1091450 hull id number: gnde0126g900 radio call sign: wdg 2922 mmsi number: 367 520 660 capacities: sleeps four: two in each stateroom fuel: 1000 gallons in two gallon tanks fresh water: 500 gallons in three tanks (o...

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    Section 3: checklists & maneuvering suggestions 3a: operating checklists - oceanflyer first thing each day: q turn off anchor light if illuminated. Q check engine oil, coolant. Q check under-engine oil pads. Okay? Q check fuel tank levels (use garmin gmi 20, maretron gsm 250, or sight gauges). Q che...

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    Underway: q helmsperson on watch at all times. Q rpm under 1400 until engines warm to 140°; rpm never to exceed 2400 rpm.* q wake effects always in mind. Q engage synchronizer (page 4.29). Q set trim tabs (see page 3.8). Q adjust naiad stabilizers (page 4.46). Approaching dock: q fenders out on appr...

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    Arriving at mooring buoy: note: there are no mooring buoys that permit boats of her size in oceanflyer’s normal cruising grounds, so this section is only applicable in unusual circumstances! Q trim tabs up (“bow up”) q stabilizers set to “center” q disengage synchronizer q skipper puts starboard end...

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    Overnight checklist in marina: q shore power “on”. Q inverter “chg” led lit (4.11). Q chargers #1 & #2 “off”. Overnight at anchor or buoy: q check state of charge, run generator if low q anchor light “on”. Q dc electrical items all “off” including radios, extra lights, etc. Upon arising: q if at anc...

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    3b: maneuvering suggestions 3b1: docking & undocking usually it’s easier to dock bow in. Have your mate at the side rail opening, ready to step off and secure the stern line, against which you can pull to swing the bow in toward the dock. By having your mate ready to disembark when close to the dock...

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    3b3: anchoring anchoring can be accomplished safely with a minimum of fuss if you are prepared. Or, if you are not ready, it can be stressful and dangerous for you or the boat. Before attempting to anchor, select an anchorage with a soft bottom such as sand, mud, or gravel, if possible. Look at the ...

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    If while checking the set, the chain rumbles and clunks, and seems to release in bursts, it means you're anchoring on a rocky bottom and the anchor is not holding. Be patient: it may not set on the first try, and you'll have to repeat the process sometimes to get a good “set”. 3b4: shore lines when ...

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    Here is a sketch of a properly anchored boat with a shore line (in this drawing, s=scope, which should be at least 4 x dl, the depth at low tide): 3b5: trim tabs the boat is fitted with a set of bennett trim tabs. These are wide “flaps” attached to the aft end of the boat, under the swim step at the...

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    Section 4: specific boat systems & operations this section of the operating manual will discuss each of the boat’s systems. The systems and major components discussed are in alphabetical order as follows: 4a: anchor & ground tackle 4b: barbeque 4d: bilge blowers 4e: dinghy, davit & outboard 4f: elec...

  • Page 26: Salt Water Washdown

    4a2: anchor chain locker & anchor jams anchor handling: the anchor is forward on the bow pulpit. It is raised and lowered by the electric windlass. The chain goes from the windlass into the chain locker through the chain pipe behind the chain wheel (“wildcat”). From here, the chain goes into a bow c...

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    4a4: anchor windlass the anchor on oceanflyer is raised and lowered by a lofrans falkon windlass on the bow pulpit. The windlass is controlled by foot switches at the bow. The control circuit breaker for the windlass is on the windlass breaker panel on the starboard side of the salon helm console. T...

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    4b: barbeque the barbeque mounted on the sundeck is an outdoor extension of the galley. The bbq is fueled by the propane tank on the sundeck and is operated in similar fashion to most propane units. It is very efficient; on “low” with both burners, it will be 350 degrees! 1. To start the barbeque us...

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    4e: dinghy, davit & outboard 4e1: davit the boat uses its mast and boom to launch the dinghy. This is expedited by an electric windlass that serves as the actual hoist. There are videos on the oceanflyer ipad detailing the launching and retreiving of the dinghy. To launch it: 1. Start the generator ...

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    Outboard dipstick location. Oil fill is yellow cap. 4e2: dinghy the dinghy aboard this boat is a 10-6"' hard-bottom inflatable, designed to carry up to four passengers safely. For safety, and compliance with both u.S. And canadian rules, there should be a life jacket aboard the dinghy for each passe...

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    Generator dipstick location. 4f: electrical systems, ac 4f1: ac generator the ship’s two onan generators provide 20,000 watts (generator “1') and 9,000 watts (generator “2") of ac power to the vessel and are used for battery charging, cooking, heating hot water, the washer/dryer, all air conditionin...

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    3) after the generator starts, allow a brief warmup of a minute or so, then switch the “ac power selector” to the selected generator’s position. 4) be sure the inverter is “off” and not in the “charge” mode. 5) be sure chargers #1 and #2 are “on”. Stopping a generator: 1) switch the ac power selecto...

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    The inverter itself is by the e/r aft entry. Inverter control at lower helm. 4f2: ac inverter system the inverter makes ac from dc ... The inverter system is used to provide ac to the boat when there is no shore power or running generator. It is wonderful, for example, to use the inverter to make a ...

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    Inverter led status lights (if they are all unlit, touch any button to be sure the unit is “awake”.) pwr lit: there is ac available for battery charging (from shore power or the generator). Fault lit: the inverter has malfunctioned. See the inverter manual. Chg on: inverter is charging, see display ...

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    Powered by the inverter! 4f3: ac panel 120/220 volt breakers this section of the ac panel provides standard 120-volt power throughout the vessel, as well as 220 to selected circuits. Below are described each breaker’s circuits and its use. After connecting to shore power, if the reverse polarity lig...

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    † = if any air conditioning compressor is run, the “aircon pump” must be on! § = using the diesel furnace to heat water will reduce the likelihood of overloading shore circuits, so it is recommended that you use it instead of 110-volt shore power (or the generator) when at transient moorings! Is it ...

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    4f5: ac reverse polarity although we tend to think of ac electricity as having only two conductors, it actually has three. One of these is called “neutral”; one is “hot”; and one is “ground”, that is, it is supposed to be the same as the water around the boat and the earth ashore. The vessel and man...

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    — 220-volt devices — — 110-volt devices --- oven 15 amps inverter up to 22 amps air conditioners (each) 8 amps hair dryer 12 amps stove burners (each) 8 amps tv 1.5 amps clothes dryer 15 amps coffee maker 10 amps microwave 10 amps watermaker 15 amps water heater 15 amps clothes washer 12 amps 4f7: a...

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    4g: electrical systems, dc 4g1: dc concepts each year it seems more folks are confused by the operation of electrical systems on yachts than by any other subject! Don’t feel discouraged if something isn’t clear: you’ve got company in your confusion. So let’s try to cover some theory here first. ! Mo...

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    Chargers are to starboard in the e/r. The house battery boxes the battery chargers have meters to right of the lower helm that show the current being sent by them to the batteries. 4g2: dc batteries the batteries on this boat are not just one, big all-purpose battery. To have redundancy, there are a...

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    4g4: dc battery master switch panels in engine room there are two battery switch panels in the engine room. The illustrations below have the switches in the correct normal positions. The switches perform the following functions: forward battery switch panel in engine room “start battery” main batter...

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    4g5: dc power & breaker panels - general there are two panels on the boat that control the dc power distribution to the dc equipment. One is the “main panel”; the other is the “electronics panel” (it is a panel with breakers above the lower helm). These panels form the nerve center of the dc system....

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    Electronics breaker panel main breaker panel engine switches, panel top section more lower left column port & stbd power (2) s power to each engine courtesy lights s turns on courtesy lights port & stbd vent s turns on e/r blowers dc outlet s “cigarette lighter” sockets stop b power to stop buttons ...

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    The dc meter. It is in the “house” position, with float charging voltage indicated. 4g6: dc current & voltage metering a dc volt meter to right of the lower helm, and the toggle switches immediately above it help you monitor the load on the ship’s batteries where: 1 = port starting battery 2 = starb...

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    4h: electronics oceanflyer is equipped with an extensive array of electronic equipment, including several redundant systems. Below is a brief summary of these systems. For details of their operation, consult the manuals found in the electronics file and on the ipad. 4h1: electronics: autopilot the b...

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    4h2: electronics: garmin 8215 & 8212 multifunction displays in addition to the vessel’s full set of pertinent paper navigation charts, the garmin navigation system assists you in cruise planning and underway navigation. A fully- integrated and networked unit, it displays information at both helms in...

  • Page 47: Garmin Gmi 20 Display

    4h4: electronics: stereo, dvd & tv these units include the flat screen tv in the port aft corner of the salon and the cd/am/fm stereo in the cabinet aft in the salon. There is a usb iphone/ipad connection in the drawer beneath the unit. 4h5: electronics: vhf radios (fixed) the vhf radios are at both...

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    4h7: radar tthe radar is intergrated into the garmin multi-function display. Tthere is operational information in the garmin owner's manual as well as videos on the ipad. Tthe displays can be set to show the radar returns on the navigation display and also display the radr screen alone. 4h8: electro...

  • Page 49: Electronics

    Electronics maretron 800c th e maretron 800c is a self-contained computer that can display any information that is available on the nmea 2000 backbone. It has a touchscreen for easy access. Th e unit will come on automatically when its breaker above the lower helm station turned on. If needed, there...

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    Starboard engine dipstick (red) & oil fill (green) 4j: engine & transmissions 4j1: general discussion the main engines on the boat are two caterpillar 3126 6-cylinder diesels, each producing a maximum of 420 horsepower. These extraordinarily-reliable, rugged machines are the top-of-the-line, and can...

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    The dipstick (red) and the oil fill (green) is easily seen on each transmission. Check the room whenever you’re in the engine room, ask, “does everything look right?”. Look at the pads under the engines and transmissions: while some drips are normal, there shouldn’t ever be substantial accumulations...

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    Hydraulic pump. Emergency engine shutoff. 4j4: engine emergency shutdown there are little red emergency shutdown buttons on the aft end of each injector pump assembly on the port side of each engine. In the event the “stop” control doesn’t work, you can press this button on each engine. See illustra...

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    4j7: engine synchronizer the glendinning synchronizer exactly, automatically synchronizes the engines. The switches to engage/disengage it are located at the lower helm on the overhead panel and at the upper helm to the right of the wheel. The “lead” engine is port, the “slave” is starboard. To enga...

  • Page 55: Fresh Water System

    Overview oceanflyer carries 515 gallons [1950 liters] distributed among three tanks: 1. Forward tank 131 gallons [496 liters] 2. Center tank 263 gallons [996 liters] 3. Aft tank 121 gallons [458 liters] tank locations it is unlikely that you will need to access the fresh water tanks themselves. Th e...

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    Fresh water tank gauges you can monitor the status of each tank on the garmin gmi 20, located in the overhead instrument panel at the lower helm. You can also monitor them on the maretron gsm 250 located next to the master berth. Th irdly, you can monitor the levels on the maretron 800c filling fres...

  • Page 57: Fresh Water System

    Fresh water system using the kabola diesel furnace to heat water th e kabola heater is the best choice for heating the water. It is very fast to heat the water. It does not require the engine or generator to be running to heat the water. Anytime the kabola heater is running, you are heating the hot ...

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    As the pressure in the accumulator tank decreases, the pressure sensor on the water pump senses the drop in pressure and starts pumping to reinstate the pressure in the system. Once the pressure is built up again, the pump will turn off . [note: the pump makes a lot of noise when running] so if you ...

  • Page 59: Fresh Water System

    Fresh water system starting the water maker 1. Turn on one of the generators to supply 120v. 2. Turn on the water maker ac breaker. 3. Verify the seawater intake is open at the through hull 4. Also check the fresh water / salt water selector valve is set on salt water, not fresh water. [see pictures...

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  • Page 61: Fresh Water System

    Fresh water system stopping the water maker 1. Slowly turn the high pressure bypass valve (black valve) back to cleaning position (horizontal) 2. Press the hp pump pushbutton to stop the high pressure pump. 3. Press the lp pump pushbutton to stop the low pressure pump. 4. Let the system run for 10 m...

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    Media pre-filter th e multi-media fi lter traps suspended solids larger than 30 microns to provide additional protection for the system’s pre-fi lters, which can greatly extend pre-fi lter element life. It is fi lled with three types of fi lter media. Th e only needed service is to fl ush it if the ...

  • Page 63: Fresh Water System

    Fresh water system 5 micron pre-filter th e large commercial water fi lter housing contains a 5 micron fi lter element. Th is should be checked if there is a large drop in water fl ow or the water maker displays a error message indicating low input pressure. Changing the 5 micron filter element 1. C...

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    However if you do need to change the fi lter: 1. Turn off the fresh water pump. 2. Drain the system by opening the sink faucets in the galley and engine room. 3. Remove the safety tie-wrap on the yellow lever and move the lever while holding the fi lter body. 4. Remove the fi lter and replace with a...

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    One of the two fuel fills. Note the water fill nearby! 4l: fuel system 4l1: fuel system concept the diesel fuel aboard oceanflyer is carried in two tanks of 517 gallons each. This gives the boat great cruising range, but it also means there can be a significant imbalance between the tanks if fuel is...

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    4l5: fuel manifolds the fuel manifold is located immediately forward of the 8kw generator at the aft end of the engine room. Each engine and generator has a fuel supply and, since extra fuel is pumped to the engine that is used to cool the engines injection pump, there is a fuel return line as well....

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    4m: furnace & air conditioning 4m1: air conditioning the boat is equipped with an electric cruisair air conditioning and heating system including three compressors. Its outlets are located throughout the boat controlled by a thermostats throughout the boat. If you are connected to 30amp shore power,...

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    4m2: furnace furnace concept the boat is equipped with a kabola diesel circulating hot water heating system. The furnace is in the engine room, and heats hot water circulated for heating throughout the boat; it also has a “heat exchanger” that heats fresh water for the sinks, showers and washer. It ...

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    A diesel furnace thermostat. Arrow points to :on-off” switch. Furnace blower controls to control the balance of heat between the boat’s areas (particularly the head compartments) use the individual fan control switches by each fan. Do not turn more than one or two fans off! Better to keep them at le...

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    4n: galley & appliances oceanflyer is fitted with a number of appliances for your convenience. Most of these (like the microwave) are easy to operate, “just like a home appliance”; nevertheless, we will spend some time discussing these, as marine units have some features that are slightly different ...

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    Deepfreeze to port of sink. Microwave is over the fridge. Second freezer in settee corner. Another fridge back side of “l”. Fridge left of stove, under m/w. 4n4: microwave/convection oven this is a conventional unit just as would be found in a home; operate in the usual way. You can operate it just ...

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    4n6: washer and dryer a washer and dryer are located in the engine room forward. These operate like conventional units. You will need to run a generator, as shore power cannot support its heavy electrical current needs. The two units operate conventionally. Be sure to set the water valves per the il...

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    4p: head systems 4p1: overview the head systems on this boat are reliable, straightforward, and easy-to-use. First, a note about discharge of sewage: it is forbidden to discharge untreated sewage in inland us. Waters, an area that includes all us. Waters in which this boat operates. The boat holding...

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    Only things which were eaten or drunk, or the toilet paper supplied with the boat, should be put in the heads! Facial tissues, tampons, and other foreign matter will clog the system. If these heads are used properly, they are quite reliable. Failures are virtually always due to mis-use! 4p3: head pr...

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    4p6: head holding tank level gauge the level of waste water in the holding tanks can be displayed on the gmi-20 and the matretron 800c. 4p7: head y-valves each head is equipped with a y-valve. The aft one is in the master stateroom in the sink cabinet of the master stateroom; the forward one is unde...

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    4q: running gear 4q1: aquadrives oceanflyer is equipped with “aquadrives”, a deluxe accessory in the drive system that greatly reduces noise and vibration from the main engines while also making the boat more efficient. With this drive system, the propeller shafts enter the hull and go through the n...

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    4q3: shaft seals the vessel is equipped with dripless shaft seals that are lubricated by atf fluid; the seal should be occasionally checked to be sure that there is not inappropriate water leakage. No adjustment or other service is required. 4q4: stabilizers the boat is fitted with a naiad hydraulic...

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    4q5: trim tabs the boat is fitted with a set of bennett trim tabs. These are wide “flaps” attached to the aft end of the boat, under the swim step at the trailing edge of the hull, operated hydraulically under the control of the skipper by rocker switches at each helm station. At low speeds, up to a...

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    4r: safety equipment 4r1: safety - equipment listing this vessel is equipped with complete safety equipment, detailed on page 1.11. 4r2: safety - fire suppression system the boat has a fire suppression system built in to the engine room. It is thermostatically operated, and if it operates because of...

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    4s: sea strainers & through-hulls 4s1: sea strainer cleaning and seacocks the sea strainers on this boat are secure and reliable. They protect the engine, generator and refrigeration cooling systems from water-borne debris which might block internal equipment passages. If a sea strainer needs cleani...

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    4t: warning lights & alarms, wipers & washers see the safety panel, page 4.48. 4t1: defrosters there is one dc defroster for the starboard windshield. It is powered by plugging it into the 12 volt dc outlet at the lower helm. 4t2: windshield wiper/washer control panel the windshield wipers are contr...

  • Page 82

    Section 5: “what to do if” for some specific concerns 5a: anchor chain won’t come out of chain locker the anchor chain is continuous, secured at both ends, and cannot tangle. But sometimes a pile of chain will fall over, and one loop of chain will fall through another loop. Usually you can clear thi...

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    Valve on the manifold at back of engine room? Make sure all open, if one was closed, re-prime engine or call a mechanic if you can’t do this (see caterpillar engine manual). 5j: head won’t flush is breaker on? Turn it on. Have you over-filled the holding tank? Pump it to allow more effluent to enter...

  • Page 84

    Section 6: emergency procedures 6a: protect your lives first... Put on life jackets contact the coast guard with an emergency "mayday" call. If adrift, prepare to anchor to keep the boat from drifting into danger. If the boat is really sinking, consider "beaching it" if necessary. Launch the dinghy ...

  • Page 85

    6d: hitting a log, rock, or debris ----- please don’t! Hitting a log is a real risk in our northern waters because logging, and "log rafts," are such a big part of our commerce. If you hit a log: - did you put a hole in the boat? Idle the engine, then think: usually, you can tell just by where the n...

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    Section 7: index ac . . . . . 1.1-1.11, 2.1, 3.1-3.8, 4.1-4.16, 4.18, 4.19, 4.21-4.23, 4.25-4.45, 4.47, 4.48, 5.1, 5.2, 6.1, 6.2 ac power panel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.8 accommodations . . . ....

  • Page 87

    Dvd player . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.23 electronics . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.3, 1.4, 3.5, 4.1, 4.18, 4.19, 4.21-4.24, 5.1 emergencies ....

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    Log . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.41, 5.2, 6.1, 6.2 maneuvering . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.1, 3.1, 3.2, 3.5, 3.6 manu...

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    Stereo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.5, 4.16, 4.19, 4.23 stern line . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5, 3...